soxan

5/21/2012

Dear Parsig Language Team

My name is Hassan and I live in the UK.

I am very concerned, alarmed and frankly (no offense intended) even disgusted and horrified at the extent to which the Arabic language has influenced the beautiful Persian language. There are far far far too many Arabic loanwords in modern Persian. In the modern Persian alphabet which has been borrowed directly from Arabic, there are even letters that are not even pronounced by native Persian/Indo-European language speakers/peoples as they are specific to Semitic languages. These letters should be removed from the modern Persian alphabet and all Arabic loanwords (MAYBE apart from words that are directly related to Islam) should be completely erased from modern Persian and be replaced by the indigenous Persian words that were themselves replaced by these very dangerous Arabic, Semitic loanwords.

I strongly, firmly believe that the very beautiful Indo-European Persian language should be cleansed and completely rid of all these Arabic/Semitic loanwords and all other Arabic influences and that the modern Persian language should resemble Parsig/Pahlavi more closely than it currently does. Can you please work towards these goals and please use your influence to achieve them?

Many thanks
Hassan Shukur

7 Comments

Bahram Izadyar

11/5/2012 10:21:19 pm

pad nām ud nērōg ud ayārīh ī wispān-sūd dādār Ohrmaz ī rāyōmand ī xwarrahōmand, ōy kē hāmist mēnōgān ud gētīgān yazadān, ud hamāg gēhān ud nēw-axtarān, nāmčišt ēn ērānšahr abāg ēd mardōmān ī hu-mēnišn ud gōwišn ud kunišn āfrīn-ēn-īd; ud ašmāh wehān ō pāyišn ud rawāgēnišn ī ēd frahang ud uzwān ī ahlawān abāg hunar ud kārāgāhīh ī-tān dād, ayār-ēn-īd.
fradom saxwan: drōd ud namāz ud āzādīh ī was ō ašmah nēk mardōmān ī ahlāyīh-kāmag, ārāstārān ud winārdārān ī ēn gāh, nāmčišt rāyēnāg ī grāmīg, awestād "Ardašēr Guldōst"; māndagīh ǰud az ašmāh u-tān ham-kārān bawēh.
dudigar ēd kū: andar pēšēnīg paygām um ī-tān frēstīd um guft kū: “ ēn gāh ō uzwān ī Pārsīg ī nōg-iz nimāyēd ”, mēnišn-om hamgōnag ka ašmāh guft ud niwēyēnīd, passāxtan ī bahr-ēw ō uzwān ī Fārsīg andar ēn gāh būd. bē enyā, Pārsīg ī nōg (Fārsi) ō wisp-dibīrīh-iz tuwān nibištan.
sidīgar ēd kū: kāč andar ēd gāh ī arzōmand, abāg uzwān ī Pārsīg, Hām-dibīrīh-iz hammōz-ēn-īd-hē. čē uzwān ī Pārsīg ǰud az dibīrag ī hu-čihr ud nēkōg ī Pārsīg (Pahlawīg), an-uspurrīg ud ǰud az xwēš gōhr bawēd. nun and nibisagīhā (fonts) ī Pārsig, Rāyānag (Computer) rāy passāxt estēd kū weh az abārīg, nibisag-ēw ast ka-š nām "hām-dibirih", kū ēwar ašmāh winnārdārān ī ēn gāh rāy pad ān šnāsāgīh. ēd rāy andar abdom ēn paygām ō hām-dibīrīh-iz nibis-ēn-om.
in-iz sar-nāmagīha ī "ham-dibirih" ud any čahār nibisag ī Pārsig:
http://www.fravahr.org/IMG/zip/Ham_dibirih.zip
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/KHUSRO__.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/ARDASHIR.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/SHAPUR__.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/BAHRAM__.TTF
andar abdom: warz ud ēwarz ī arzōmand ī ašmāh nēk mardōmān rāy spās ud āzādīh čand guftan kanārag ayāftan nē tuwān.
ǰadag ī nēk ud hu-murwāg ud kāmag-rawāgīh ud abarwēzīh hā̌wārag ašmāh rāy abāg bawēh.
rōz māh, māh mihr, sāl abar ēk-hazār ud sē̌-sad ud haštād ud ēk az šāhān-šāh Yazdgird šahryārān.
ēn-iz sar-nāmag ī ēn paygām ō hām-dibīrīh:
kehdar
http://magumet-irony.persiangig.com/document/pad%20ham-dibirih-1.pdf

1381/7/6 - Irān - Tehrān Bahrām ī Ēzadyār

11/5/2012 10:26:54 pm

pad nām ud nērōg ud ayārīh ī wispān-sūd dādār Ohrmaz ī rāyōmand ī xwarrahōmand, ōy kē hāmist mēnōgān ud gētīgān yazadān, ud hamāg gēhān ud nēw-axtarān, nāmčišt ēn ērānšahr abāg ēd mardōmān ī hu-mēnišn ud gōwišn ud kunišn āfrīn-ēn-īd; ud ašmāh wehān ō pāyišn ud rawāgēnišn ī ēd frahang ud uzwān ī ahlawān abāg hunar ud kārāgāhīh ī-tān dād, ayār-ēn-īd.
fradom saxwan: drōd ud namāz ud āzādīh ī was ō ašmah nēk mardōmān ī ahlāyīh-kāmag, ārāstārān ud winārdārān ī ēn gāh, nāmčišt rāyēnāg ī grāmīg, awestād "Ardašēr Guldōst"; māndagīh ǰud az ašmāh u-tān ham-kārān bawēh.
dudigar ēd kū: andar pēšēnīg paygām um ī-tān frēstīd um guft kū: “ ēn gāh ō uzwān ī Pārsīg ī nōg-iz nimāyēd ”, mēnišn-om hamgōnag ka ašmāh guft ud niwēyēnīd, passāxtan ī bahr-ēw ō uzwān ī Fārsīg andar ēn gāh būd. bē enyā, Pārsīg ī nōg (Fārsi) ō wisp-dibīrīh-iz tuwān nibištan.
sidīgar ēd kū: kāč andar ēd gāh ī arzōmand, abāg uzwān ī Pārsīg, Hām-dibīrīh-iz hammōz-ēn-īd-hē. čē uzwān ī Pārsīg ǰud az dibīrag ī hu-čihr ud nēkōg ī Pārsīg (Pahlawīg), an-uspurrīg ud ǰud az xwēš gōhr bawēd. nun and nibisagīhā (fonts) ī Pārsig, Rāyānag (Computer) rāy passāxt estēd kū weh az abārīg, nibisag-ēw ast ka-š nām "hām-dibirih", kū ēwar ašmāh winnārdārān ī ēn gāh rāy pad ān šnāsāgīh. ēd rāy andar abdom ēn paygām ō hām-dibīrīh-iz nibis-ēn-om.
in-iz sar-nāmagīha ī "ham-dibirih" ud any čahār nibisag ī Pārsig:
http://www.fravahr.org/IMG/zip/Ham_dibirih.zip
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/KHUSRO__.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/ARDASHIR.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/SHAPUR__.TTF
http://minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/pahlavifonts/$FILE/BAHRAM__.TTF
andar abdom: warz ud ēwarz ī arzōmand ī ašmāh nēk mardōmān rāy spās ud āzādīh čand guftan kanārag ayāftan nē tuwān.
ǰadag ī nēk ud hu-murwāg ud kāmag-rawāgīh ud abarwēzīh hā̌mwārag ašmāh rāy abāg bawēh.
rōz māh, māh mihr, sāl abar ēk-hazār ud sē̌-sad ud haštād ud ēk az šāhān-šāh Yazdgird šahryārān.
ēn-iz sar-nāmag ī ēn paygām ō hām-dibīrīh:
kehdar
http://magumet-irony.persiangig.com/document/pad%20ham-dibirih-1.pdf

1381/7/6 - Irān - Tehrān Bahrām ī Ēzadyār

Joseph link

5/24/2017 10:36:20 pm

Will anyone contact me so we can begin a group and dialogue on how to sustain the Middle Persian language amongst ourselves?

Josephshair1980@gmail.com

Steve

8/18/2019 04:59:27 pm

It's certainly preferable to have a form of (modern) Persian that is essentially pure Indo-Iranian, free of the vast Arabic-Semitic borrowings that in many cases have displaced native Iranian words. Not only for its own sake, but because this would restore some unity to/with ancient Persian language and culture, restoring effective continuity and even comprehensibility of some two thousand years, and would also be far more interesting and useful for speakers and students of other Indo-European languages, including English, who still outnumber Arabs and Arabic students of Persian by far. Also, it makes sense to adopt 'Latin' (actually Phoenicio-Romanic) characters for this form of the language, which are very clear, simple, and widespread. Thus, Persian could be rendered a language of true world interest, and, as the morphologically simplest and most regular Indo-Iranian ('Aryan') language, a useful study and potential 'lingua franca' and vehicle of a higher and wider culture in itself, which Arabized Farsi will not be outside the relatively small Islamo-Aryan zone where it has even lost much ground since its heyday of centuries past.

Of course, Arabized Farsi would still exist and be well documented, but purified Persian could and should also exist in its own right and on its own clear merits. Essentially in two closely related forms, Middle Persian Parsig and Modern Persian (Pure) Farsi. Approximately as close for example as the English of Chaucer, Malory, and even Shakespeare and today, thus forming a broad cultural and linguistic unity, especially once mere spelling differences are taken into account.

Arabized Farsi on the other hand traps Persian in a form widely separated from the far purer Persian of the classical era, as well as the wider non-(Aryo)-Muslim population, rendering Iran itself a marginal entity of little interest or appeal in the world.

Persianica

2/10/2021 10:22:29 am

Modern-day Persian is not 'Arabized'.

Never was, never will.

In fact, modern-day Persian vocabulary consists of 75%-80% native Persian words of pure Indo-European origin.

Only 20%-25% of the Persian vocabulary consists of borrowed Arabic loanwords, which already have been Persianized. Meaning they are incomprehensible to an Arabic-speaker randomly.

And for all borrowed loanwords exist pure Persian terms.

English (60%) uses way more borrowed loanwords than Persian (20%-25%) does.

Spanish and Turkish also use many borrowe Arabic loanwords. On top of that, Turkish also utilizes many borrowd Persian loanwords.

Persians nowadays prefer to use native Persian words over borrowed ones.

And the language is called Persian in English.

In Persian, modern-day Persian is refered to as 'Parsi'. 'Farsi' should be deemed as completely incorrect.

Persian poets of medieval times actually did an amazing job in perserving the poetic Persian language by using as little as possible borrowed loanwords.

Just check any Hafez or Saadi poem
The native to borrowed ratio is 75% native and only 25% borrowed.

In modern times: Listen to any modern-day Persian pop song. Persian music and poetry utilize no more than 20% of borrowed loanwords. 80% is always pure Persian.

'Arabized Farsi' is an extremely hurtful and disrespectful term and should not be utilized. 80% of the words which are used in Middle Persian or Parsig and are already used in modern-day Persian (Parsi), hence making this 'Arabization' claim even more ridiculous.

I'm a native Persian speaker and while reading through these Parsig vocabulary worksheets provided on this site, I literally see every single and each Parsig word being commonly and actively utilized in modern-day Persian (Parsi) one way or another. This honestly makes me so glad and happy.

So, there is still hope and the current linguistical state of the Persian language is looking pretty good.

And lastly, Persian is an Iranic Indo-European language.

Arabic is a Semitic Afro-Asiatic language.

These two languages are completely unrelated to each other in terms of phonetics, phonology, morophology, syntax, grammar and, as proven above, vocabulary.

It makes more sense to compare modern-day Persian to Portuguese, Spanish, Sanskrit, German, English, French, etc. as they are all Indo-European languages having stemmed from the same Proto-Indo-European mother language.

Persian certainly should do a purification of its vocabulary. But even the current Persian vocabulary is still miles away to ever be considered 'Arabized'. A simply look into any Persian dictionary would suffice to prove that these claims are dilusional and nonsensical.

If the Persian vocabulary ever truly consists of billions upon billions of Arabic loanwords, then Arabs would memorize Persian en masse and become amazingly flient Persophones.

Yet, Arabs understand 0% Persian and face extreme difficulty understanding Persiam grammatical rules, when trying to study modern-day Persian (Parsi).

Why?

Because there is no connection between the two.

Never was, never will.

And no borrowed loanword in this world could ever change that.

Persian will forever and always remain Persian.

SHAHRAM

12/11/2019 08:46:05 am

BA Drood,

Here is a good web site for translation :
https://en.glosbe.com/en/pal
Is there on for Pahlavi to Modern Persian that I can get my hands on?

Ba Sepas,
Shahram

Wandering Waldo link

12/3/2020 08:29:24 pm

Hi thanks for sharing tthis

soxan

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